Sunday, 28 October 2012

What The Inside Of A Cup Of Milk Looks Like, by Pepper

Original Link here. Reposted with permission from Pepper Lim.


On 22.10.12, I posted a question to the members of APOSL: If you filled a pail with milk and lowered a camera 3 inches into it and took a photo, what will the photo look like? White? Black? Purple? What? Explain your reasoning.

What if you lowered the camera 6 inches; would the photo be different?

This morning, I tried it out myself.

  • Milk: made with milk powder, following the directions on the packet.
  • Metal cup - so light cannot enter through the sides
  • Camera phone wrapped in plastic bag (matte plastic. I didn’t have the clear type in my kitchen)

My tall cup with 4 cups of milk. Spectacles is there for size comparison. Very bright and hot morning. Plenty of light for taking photos.
Added a ruler. It is about 5 inches tall.

1st photo. 3 inches inside the cup. Phone camera wrapped in plastic (slightly matte). Was surprised that the colour was yellow!

2nd photo. Again, yellow! This confirms it, doesn’t it? The inside of a cup of milk is “yellow”. But wait….

3rd photo. There seems to be something I’ve done wrong while taking this photo. Rats! The camera flash! It was firing while inside the cup of milk!

4th photo. Turned off flash. And this is what the camera took.

5th photo. Looks like the inside of a cup of milk is dark.

6th photo. Yep, it looks dark. I guess no light can penetrate milk 3 inches from its surface.

So turns out milk is very effective at absorbing light. But you can test it out yourself! What happens if you took a picture a 2 inches? 1 inch? What if you tried coke? Orange juice?

Tuesday, 4 September 2012

And the video for the "Existence of God" Debate is up!

As mentioned earlier APOSL members attended a debate on 25 August. The video is now up for those unable to attend the debate. Its in 10 parts.

The Debaters:
Samuel Nesan is a youth pastor at Cavalry OAG.
Willie Poh is a lecturer at Multimedia University.

Part 1: Samuel's Opening Speech
 Part 2: Willie's Opening Speech
Part 3: Samuel's Rebuttal
Part 4: Willie's Rebuttal
Part 5: Cross Examination
Part 6: Samuel's Response
Part 7: Willie's Response
Part 8: Samuel's Closing speech
Part 9: Willie's Closing Speech
Part 10: Q&A Session

Editor's Note: I'd like to thank everyone in the atheist community, as well as the Christians involved, for making this possible. I'd especially like to thank Willie for representing the atheists (and wearing out APOSL shirt), Samuel for defending his belief, and Kok Sen Wai for his hard work in helping to organize this. Also I'd like to thank Mike Wong and Jason for filming and editing. Dialogue is very important between beliefs and non-beliefs, and we invite anyone who's willing to participate in such a debate to approach us.

Wednesday, 29 August 2012

Debating God’s Existence 25.8.12

Recently APOSL attended a debate about the existence of God, and already the reviews are in. The following post is reproduced with permission from Pepper Lim, from here. Video should be available soon.


A few months ago, something extraordinary happened. A Christian decided he would debate a non-believer (what Christians call people who do not believe in Jesus as their saviour) on whether or not god exists.

Actually, this debate had been going on for sometime on the Malaysian Atheists, Freethinkers and Agnostics and Their Friends (MAFA)Facebook page. Arguments and points were discussed online by both sides. I guess someone was bound to suggest a face-to-face debate about the matter sooner or later.

Thus, a debate entitled ‘Atheism vs. Christian Theism’ was born. The affirmative was represented by Samuel Nesan, a young minister who is currently pursuing his Masters in Theology. For the negative, Dr. Kok Sen Wai had to almost beg for someone to represent the atheists! In the end, he managed to convince Willie Poh, a lecturer from a local university.


As both debaters prepared their arguments, the anticipation began to heat up on the Facebook event page. Seating was limited and people were warned that some would be turned away. I decided to make my chances of being chosen for a seat better by using the old ‘make-yourself-useful’ ploy — I volunteered to video the event.

On the day of the debate, expectations were high. Guests who arrived early chatted among themselves as to what the two debaters would present. Some Christians came all the way from Klang. Some members of my church also turned up, much to my delight. Atheists also turned up from far corners of the Klang Valley. Everyone was excited because this is the first time such a debate has been held in our country, as far as I know.

The moderator, Yoshua, opened the debate with the rules and a rundown of the programme. He looked like a no nonsense guy which was a good thing after watching the fiasco of the debates between Lim Guan Eng and Chua Soi Lek.

Samuel started off by offering four points to support his belief in God. Willie countered by telling the story of how he came out of Christianity to become an atheist. I won’t say too much so you can judge the debate for yourself. A video of the debate will be out soon. The debate ended with Samuel and Willie asking each other direct questions about theism and atheism.
After the debate, I congratulated Samuel because I thought he defended his position well. Willie also did well, getting his points across to the audience. Hopefully, this debate will lead to a series of talks and open discussions about theism and atheism.

There are a few things worth mentioning about this debate. It was heartening to see some Christians willing to engage atheists in public. Despite being turned down by a few churches for a venue, one small church opened its doors to the debate. The debate drew many atheists out to meet one another in, of all places, a church! Christians and atheists cordially mingled with each other instead of trying to cram their philosophies down each others’ throats. And, JAIS did not raid the church.

You can buy an APOSL T-shirt to show your geekiness as Willie did during the debate.

Saturday, 4 August 2012

Wear your heart on your sleeve... Or your chest

APOSL tee shirts are available now through our Blog and Facebook group. 3 different sizes for different folks.



Size Chart:
Interested? Comment below or send a request at our Facebook or through any of our admins.

Sunday, 8 July 2012

APOSL Event #2: Extrasolar Planets

"“We go to the moon. Space enthusiasts say, ‘Oh, we’re on the moon in ’69, we’ll be on Mars in another ten years.’ They completely did not understand why we got to the moon in the first place: we were at war. Once we saw that Russia was not ready to land on the moon, we stopped going to the moon. That should not surprise anybody looking back on it. Meanwhile, however, that entire era [of space exploration] galvanized the nation — forget the war as a driver, it galvanized us all to dream about tomorrow.” - Neil Degrasse Tyson.

On Saturday, 30 June 2012, APOSL successfully held a discussion with Afiq Hamid, also known as Science Epic. Mr. Afiq talked about the very recent phenomenon of extrasolar planets, or exoplanets; namely the ever-expanding catalogue of them and what they mean to us.
It's an exciting time.
The first extrasolar planet was only confirmed in 1992, 20 years ago (coincidentially the same age as our speaker!), but since then a whopping 777 have been discovered, mostly gas giants, the occasional weird rocky planet, scorching hellholes to icy wastes. And as Mr. Afiq is keen to point out, we are only able to detect a silver of the planets out there, not to mention we're only able to study a tiny fraction of the stars out there for planets. Of the billions of stars out there as numerous as the grains of sand on a beach, we're only picking individual particles up. No Earth-like planet is found yet, but we're still looking.
(C) xkcd
So where is the economic value of looking for other planets? This was briefly touched on by Mr. Afiq but expanded during our post-talk discussion. At APOSL, we're willing to promote science just because its awesome. But the world doesn't work that way, and Professor Stephen Hawking gives us a pretty good reason why we need to continue, nay, speed up our search for other worlds.

"It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster on planet Earth in the next hundred years, let alone the next thousand, or million. The human race shouldn't have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. Let's hope we can avoid dropping the basket until we have spread the load."  -Stephen Hawking
But we also live in a time where corporations are beginning to see economic value outside Earth's gravitational pull. The fact that a proposal to mine asteroids, that classic science fiction trope, is being proposed by Google's founders suggest maybe the era of true space travel isn't that far away. This, of course, veered our conversation into science fiction territory, justifying (or pooh-poohing) each other's ideas with stories from Warhammer or Dune.

This only proves though that space travel is moving out of the pages of science fiction into science fact, and that space exploration is beginning to pick up again. The human race this time has already achieved wonders scientists in the 1960s never dreamed of. And the scientists today are those that grew up dreaming of the stars. Who knows what this wave of space exploration may inspire in the next generation?

Join us for our next round of talks coming soon. If you'd like to find out more about our speaker, please visit his Youtube channel. Our Facebook group is here. Check us for more updates.

Sunday, 20 May 2012

Introducing: Harithabhoomi

Hello. As promised APOSL will be presenting to you different blogs and articles from different people from all over Malaysia and (hopefully) the world. It is part of our move to present to you more and diverse viewpoints, which we believe to be essential to opening one's mind. I will be posting more guidelines to posting here over here and at the APOSL facebook site. In the meantime we invite all of you with something to say to send in your blogs at blogs@aposl.org or armandtanzarianmusic@gmail.com.


To begin, here's Mr. Azlan Adnan, founder of the Green Party of Malaysia, with his first post. Ladies and gentlemen, Harithabhoomi.


I’m delighted to have been invited to contribute to APOSL. My column is called Harithabhoomi, which is Sanskrit for Green Earth. In this column, I plan not just to inform you on matters green, but also to challenge your way of thinking. For it is only by discarding our current thinking and accepting new paradigms that progress in science is made.

Every major advance in science was first met with disbelief and the innovative thinker ridiculed and persecuted, even. But the truth has a way of prevailing and wins out in the end. For thousands of years, it was accepted without question that the sun, stars and planets orbited around the Earth. When Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler introduced the idea that the Earth and planets revolved around the Sun, their novel idea was met with much resistance. More recently, similar reception was afforded to an Australian physician by the name of Barry Marshall when he declared that the bacterium Helicobacter pylori is the cause of most peptic ulcers, reversing decades of medical doctrine holding that ulcers were caused by stress, spicy foods, and too much acid.

It is only by pushing the envelope, questioning everything that we take for granted, that a space is created for new ideas to flourish and for progress to be made. So some of the ideas I present in my column may disturb you but I hope it would be a creative disturbance ~ some food for thought for you to ponder upon and wonder about. And maybe even improve upon.

The fact is, for most of the 200,000 years that the human species has roamed this planet, we were quite benign. In the last 50 years, however, we have more than doubled in population, from 3 billion to more than 7 billion. Such a dramatic increase in numbers in such a tiny fraction (0.025%) of our existence has put tremendous and unprecedented demands on resources and the environment.

We are living in exceptional times. We are in a unique position in the history of human existence, for it is within our lifetime that it will be decided whether we will destroy this planet, irrevocably and forever, or not. If we want to keep the planet fit for human habitation, we have to make changes. Big changes. Scientists tell us that we have 10 years to change the way we live, avert the depletion of natural resources and the catastrophic change of the Earth's climate. The “business as usual” type of thinking that got us into this mess, is not the type of thinking that will help us get out of this quagmire. Radical new thinking is required to ensure our collective future, the survival of the human species and, indeed, survival of the planet itself.

And remember, the planet does not need humans. In fact, the planet would be much better off if humans became extinct. Life on Earth without humans is very feasible. But humans need the planet. This planet is our home, our only home. If we want to survive as a species, we need a home ~ this planet ~ to live in. The stakes are high for us and our children. Everyone should take part in the effort, and I implore you to take a message of mobilization out to every human being to ensure our collective future. Welcome to Harithabhoomi.

The views expressed here are the personal opinion of the columnist.

Saturday, 5 May 2012

APOSL's first ever event... nearly didn't happen

I have been looking forward to APOSL's first ever event (screening of Pi the movie) since we talked about it during Pi Day. And it very nearly did not happen.

Originally, I scheduled it for 28 April but since it clashed with Bersih3.0, I postponed it to 5 May.

The verbal booking I made for PusatRakyatLB was forgotten if not for Seh Li's eagle eyes; she spotted the event on Facebook and rang me. It seems someone else had book the place. So I had to rearrange the time.

On Saturday, when I arrived for UndiMsia Chats, PusatRakyatLB had an electrical problem. None of the plug points were working. So I had to think of another venue.

As we were about to make our way to the new venue, Derryk and Terence told me there was no ice at the 7-eleven for chilling our drinks. Derryk had to buy a large bag of ice from the kedai runcit, a bag of ice large enough to run a cafe.

We overcame all that to watch Pi the movie. And I didn't understand it at all.

But later, we did go eat this super large pizza (see photo).

Monday, 9 April 2012

A Glorious Dawn

Hello and welcome to APOSL's mainpage! I hope that you, the lover of science and defender of humanism, will find what you are seeking here, which, I hope at least, are like-minded people who appreciate science as much as we do.

To kick off this group we're screening the classic Darren Aronofsky movie, Pi (1998). There will be pizza and a discussion afterwards. The event will be held are PusatRakyatLB in Bangsar on the 5th of May at 6.30pm. It'll be a great chance to meet others and see the faces of those who advocate a scientifically literate Malaysia and world.